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New here with a question
10-10-2016, 11:02 AM
Post: #21
RE: New here with a question
I would just drop your intake by 100 calories at a time - no point in giving up any more calories than you need to. If 2400 doesn't stabilize it, you can always drop down to 2300. Either way, it's all good, as you have been feeding your metabolism and resetting already!

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10-11-2016, 12:11 AM
Post: #22
RE: New here with a question
Sounds like it's a 2400 calorie week...although if you don't usually do a 10-mile obstacle course, you've probably burned quite a few more calories than usual. Probably need to stay at 2400 for at least 2, maybe 3 or 4 weeks to be able to really get a picture of what's going on. But you are keeping use a race metaphor, you can probably see the flags/finish line out there in the distance for finding TDEE. Then, the reset to prepare for the next "obstacle course." Just stick with it.

I can only imagine how challenging those courses are...kudos to you for doing it.

Can't wait to hear from you at the end of the week!
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10-15-2016, 01:34 PM
Post: #23
RE: New here with a question
Hi guys! So after a week of dropping down a little to 2300 (I thought I was supposed to be at 2300 and so I didn't eat at 2400 this week) I haven't gained weight. This is the first time since August that my weight has leveled off. I gained 4-5 lbs in Sept/first week of October while eating 2500. I lost some of the water weight I had held onto so I am actually down 1.4 lbs overall this week (according to Happy Scale). I am still up 14 lbs since starting this journey on 6/26/16. Do you think I should try and bump up to 2400 this week or stay at 2300 and see what happens for a few weeks?

Thank you Hannah and Anitra! It is so nice to be able to come on here and ask these questions when I am stressed and depressed. I am definitely feeling better this week, and I don't feel so out of control like I did with my weight rising at 2500 cals.

I ran the Tough Mudder with my husband, my cousin and a friend. I was the only girl in the group. While I wish I would've been able to do more of the upper body challenges without assistance, I am still proud of what I did! (Monkey bars over a pit of muddy water!) It's just motivation to keep lifting and working to gain strength to do these things better next time!

Thanks for your encouragement and let me know what it sounds like I should aim for next. :-)
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10-15-2016, 03:04 PM (This post was last modified: 10-15-2016 03:05 PM by hannah77.)
Post: #24
RE: New here with a question
You know what? This is a mental as well as physical journey. If you're okay with it taking as long as it takes (i.e. you haven't set any specific time goals for when you want your reset to be done, when you want to confirm your TDEE, etc)...for your mental state of mind, I would go ahead and eat at 2300 for the rest of the month. See what Happy scale trend is. You may find that you are under your TDEE (which would mean you can't start your reset clock yet), but mentally will be in a better state and more ready to test the waters at 2400 if you are stable and or losing a little on the trend. There was a great discussion that I cut and paste on someone else's journal about a month ago. I'll see if I can find it later, but it was about there being a difference between being stable while still not at TDEE and what you experience when you're truly over TDEE. If you stick at 2300 and it turns out you are below TDEE, it just means you'll spend a bit more time confirming and resetting as you have dropped out of the reset level.

If you really want to keep the reset going and can mentally shift to accept the result (either way) and/or have some timeframe in mind, then I would bump back up to 2400. If you're stable there, then reset continues and you've pretty much confirmed your TDEE (although you might still test 2450). Always want to find the absolute max calories you can take in without gaining.

Whatever level you decide, stick with it for a month to really see the trend. Weekly adjustments really don't allow the body to settle or give an accurate picture of what is going on, especially with changes in activity, monthly cycle, etc...

Bottom line, whichever way you decide to go is great.
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10-16-2016, 09:27 AM
Post: #25
RE: New here with a question
Hannah gave you good advice^
Congrats on the Tough Mudder!
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11-07-2016, 01:08 AM
Post: #26
RE: New here with a question
Hi everyone! I wanted to check in and share my update. I have been eating 2400 cals since October 3 weeks. I have gone from 174.4 (October 16th)down to 173.8 (October 26th) and back up to 176.2 (today November 6th). Overall in the month of October, Happy Scale says that I have gained 2.2 lbs. Can someone help me and let me know what I should do next? Since I am still going up at 2400 does that mean I have surpassed my TDEE? Or should I still be patient?

My Garmin says I burn approx 2186 per day on average. My activity level hasn't changed. I think my TDEE is around 2300 or maybe 2350 but I don't know if I am misunderstanding all the data in scale numbers. Any tips or advice? Thanks so much!
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11-07-2016, 09:27 AM
Post: #27
RE: New here with a question
2.2 lbs in 3 weeks is likely water weight, especially evidenced by the fact that you went down and then up. And in general, you want to give it at least 4 weeks (get through one monthly cycle) before evaluating. I'd keep at 2400 for now.
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11-11-2016, 02:22 PM
Post: #28
RE: New here with a question
Good morning EM2WL community, (warning long post but in need of analysis)

I feel the need to post here again and ask for clarification on what my next steps should be. I know that Emma gave me good advice (thank you!) last week to stick it out at this level for a month before making a decision. I want to post a thorough summary of my entire journey (for me to process) and also to see also if there is anything I might be missing that you all can point out to me. :-)

I am 37 years old, 6'0" tall, and my current weight (today) is 177.2lbs. Starting weight on the day this journey began was 160 lbs. I have been lifting heavy since 7-18-16 3 times a week. I do Schuler and Cosgrove's "Strong" program in their new book. I do about 10 minutes if interval work after each workout.

I started upping my calories on 6/26/16 after finding this site. I jumped right up to 1963 that day (I am not sure exactly how long I had been eating low calorie-it was never intentional. For about one month before starting this journey I was set on MFP at 1450, but some days during that month I would get maybe 1100 calories. Prior to that it was 3 months of 1800 (going over that some days) while I was doing p90x3 and I didn't lose any weight). Prior to April 2016 (when I started p90x3), I do not know how much I ate on a given day. I was very strict paleo and not losing any of the last bit of body fat that I wanted to lose and I also wasn't developing the muscle that I wanted to see. I had eaten paleo style for 5 years prior to this maintaining my weight of 155 lbs for 5 plus years. I never counted calories and I was an avid runner, running 3-4 days a week.

I have been a carb conscious eater since 2003. I did Atkins in 2003 and lost 30 lbs VERY quickly. I never regained this weight (until my first pregnancy in 2008) and I gained 60-70 lbs. Probably because I was then eating ALL the carbs (because they made me feel better). After the baby I tried low carb again in 2009 but couldn't lose a drop!! It just didn't work for me. So I ate healthy carbs, whole grains etc and eventually lost some weight when I started running. And then I got pregnant with baby #2 in 2010. I did not gain as much this time (only 40lbs). Probably because I hadn't been strict low carb when I got pregnant. After having this baby in 2011, I found whole food style eating and became very aware of the foods I did not want my family to consume on a regular basis. I also went dairy free because baby's colic was much better when I cut out dairy while nursing. I lost all the baby weight this time around very quickly because I started running at 6 weeks postpartum, and I cut out ALL dairy and was only eating whole, unprocessed food. So we went paleo sometime in 2011. I lost another 20 lbs of stubborn weight that I hadn't lost since before the first pregnancy. I was very happy with my clothes and the way my body looked. I felt good running and my confidence was high. When I had a big event coming up, I would be really strict. I ate (what I thought were) healthy carbs- tons of fruit, veggies, sweet potatoes and squash. I did not eat any grain unless I was "cheating". Even with the confidence, I still saw my "problem areas" in the mirror and wished I could have more "toned" abs or "sculpted" arms. ;-)

Fast forward to 2016. My husband and I started P90x3 in April because we wanted to cross-train for a half-marathon in June and we wanted all the results promised by the Beach Body people. Needless to say, my before and afters look basically IDENTICAL. I was so frustrated. I started in April at 157 and ended in June at about 157. Then my research began and I came across this site.

Here are my weight/calorie stats to the best of my ability and according to Happy Scale: Also, these are amounts that I entered into MFP, but I didn't ALWAYS enter everything I ate but I would mentally add up for what my calorie goals were at the time. I tried to be as accurate as possible.

June: gained 1.7 lbs in 5 days. I really had no calorie aim goal at the time. I just knew my TDEE was 2187 for my height and weight. I ate 1963, 2419, 2202, 2673, 2223 for those 5 days.

July: gained 5.2 lbs in 31 days. I think I was aiming to eat at 2200/2300. I ate 2350, 2311, 2831, 2447, 2383, 2379, 2281, 2340, 2174, 2137, 2187, 2460, 2215, 2109, 2200, 2206 in July. I did not keep exact track on all days because we took two camping trips during that month but I made sure I was eating over 2100 each day so I wouldn't trick my body.

August: gained 1.5 lbs in 31 days. (I am a teacher so I went back to work here so my activity level changed a bit.) I also did not keep track on MFP but I knew each day to not eat less than 2100 so I wouldn't take two steps backward in this journey (I have no idea why thats the number I focused on.) I ate 2134, 2389, 2321, 2100, 2155, 2170, 2212, 2309.

September: gained 4 lbs in 30 days. I was aiming to eat at 2500- so the days where it was less, I probably had another little something to get me to 2500 and I didn't record it. I ate 2240, 2427, 2419, 2542, 2344, 2324, 2356, 2446, 2400, 2360, 2487, 2451, 2507, 2456, 2338, 2367, 2575, 2514, 2440, 2508

October: gained 2.2 lbs in 31 days. I was 2300 for about a week and then aimed to be at 2400. I ate 2385, 2491, 2442, 2310, 2188, 2549, 2932 (yikes!), 2229, 2209, 2300, 2467, 2408, 2300, 2485, 2334, 2273, 2360, 2336, 2440, 2636, 2324, 2337

November: gained 1.3 lbs in 11 days. I've been aiming to eat at 2400 like was suggested to me and I wanted to stay in reset if I am in fact in reset. I didn't want to delay that.

Bottom line, I am sooooooo tired of gaining weight. I feel like every time I think I have a handle on this whole process, I get another curve ball and I am confused again. I kept at 2400 for the last 4 weeks and I think that might be too high or my metabolism is still slow. Either way, I feel like my lower belly looks bloated all the time! I don't know if it is the increase in eating grains or what. I still don't eat dairy and I still really believe in a paleo lifestyle. I am, however, trying to meet my macros everyday but I usuallly can only get about 150 g of protein a day.

If you stuck with me and read all of this to the end, THANK YOU! I think I will post this in the journal section also if that's ok?? But if you have any tips, advice or plan to help me level off that would be great!

Finally, how much weight gain is attributed ti muscle gain?? If I am lifting heavy, are all gains fat? I don't know how to figure this out.
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11-19-2016, 01:55 PM
Post: #29
RE: New here with a question
Hi, I am a total newbie here. But I am wondering if maybe sticking closer to your calorie goal might help? As I have been doing this process, I've tried to stay within about 30 calories of my goal. Just a thought!
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11-22-2016, 01:54 PM
Post: #30
RE: New here with a question
(11-19-2016 01:55 PM)Frosty Wrote:  Hi, I am a total newbie here. But I am wondering if maybe sticking closer to your calorie goal might help? As I have been doing this process, I've tried to stay within about 30 calories of my goal. Just a thought!

You're totally right. I didn't even own a food scale until last Monday....and most of my food is unpackaged so I have really had to depend on the scale to know exactly. Other people's estimates for "1 cup" or "1 serving" on MFP were not working for me. ;-)
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