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Eat, Play, Write
02-27-2017, 08:09 PM (This post was last modified: 02-27-2017 08:10 PM by sheilawrites.)
Post: #181
RE: Eat, Play, Write
Thinking again (a hazard of mindless work like sorting & pitching in preparation for packing!)... Fiona got me thinking about my exercise level and net calories while dieting, so I went back to MFP to check my weekly net calorie averages. I'm pretty shocked. Here's what I found... The # farthest to the right is my average weekly net calories after exercise. This is for 2016 - I actually started WW late Feb. 2015, and I’m sure the numbers are similar. My current BMR is ~1300, so it was higher when I was heavier. I was eating below or at BMR for 17 months, and no doubt for a lot of my life before that. No wonder I'm hungry! (And I’m also angrier and angrier at the whole diet industry and it’s supporters in the food and medical communities.)

Sorry this is a little hard to read - difficult to format on here.

Weight Watchers
1/2/2016 160.4 1194 663
1/16/2016 159.6 1032 772
1/23/2016 157.8 1120 1028
1/30/2016 155.4 1235 1100
2/6/2016 156.8 1280 1078
2/13/2016 155.8 1077 938
2/20/2016 156.6 1202 1063
2/27/2016 156 1377 1256
3/6/2016 157 1143 1039
3/13/2016 155.6 1227 967
3/20/2016 154 1140 911
3/27/2016 154.6 1342 1037
4/3/2016 154.2 1317 1056
4/10/2016 152.6 1414 1115
4/17/2016 152.8 1332 1078
4/24/2016 152 1509 1137
5/1/2016 151.4 1411 1052
5/8/2016 150 1333 1086
5/15/2016 149 1329 1091
5/22/2016 149.6 1341 1157
5/29/2016 149.2 1302 1028
6/5/2016 148 1326 1119
6/12/2016 148.4 1393 1097
6/19/2016 147.4 1226 1055
6/23/2016 148.2 1321 1099
6/30/2016 148.6 1401 1146
7/7/2016 147.8 1396 1212
7/14/2016 147.4 1520 1377
7/21/2016 147 1562 1330
7/28/2016 147 1515 1308
8/4/2016 146.6 1391 1131
8/11/2016 146.4 1436 1121
8/18/2016 146 1414 1022
8/25/2016 146 1474 1152
9/3/2016 145.8 1644 1322
10-Sep 143.6 1237 1036
17-Sep 144.6 1533 1323
23-Sep 143.6 1274 1100
30-Sep 143.2 1533 1425

Started WW Maintenance Level
7-Oct 144.4 1623 1450
15-Oct 144 1641 1434
22-Oct 143.6 1641 1482
10/29/2016 143.2 1698 1564
10/29/2016 143.2 1677 1504
11/5/2016 -- 1761 1668

Started EM2WL
11/12/2016 145.6 1840 1371
11/19/2016 145.2 1833 1416
11/26/2016 144.6 1647 1452
12/2/2016 144.6 1745 1564
12/9/2016 146.2 1841 1735
12/17/2016 146 1852 1825
12/24/2016 148 1979 1802
12/31/2016 148 2014 1965
1/7/2016 148.2 2014 1898
14-Jan 148.6 2044 1995
21-Jan 148.6 2110 1902
28-Jan 149.4 2035 1731
4-Feb 149.4 1831 1756
11-Feb 150 1886 2038
18-Feb 150.8 2159 2076
25-Feb 152.2 2225 2280 (3 days this week)

BMR - 1296
TDEE - Moderate-2010, Strenuous-2237, me? Who knows?
Currently eating 2360-2400
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02-27-2017, 11:00 PM
Post: #182
RE: Eat, Play, Write
Wow, that is interesting to look back at your dieting numbers! How sad is it that so many of us starved ourselves! I too ate at or below my BMR for a while. What was I thinking!

I think that for calories, maybe go back and stick with the 2200 for the 4-6 weeks. Just my opinion. (I wish I had gone slower myself with the calorie increases.)
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02-27-2017, 11:49 PM
Post: #183
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(02-27-2017 11:00 PM)Frosty Wrote:  Wow, that is interesting to look back at your dieting numbers! How sad is it that so many of us starved ourselves! I too ate at or below my BMR for a while. What was I thinking!

I think that for calories, maybe go back and stick with the 2200 for the 4-6 weeks. Just my opinion. (I wish I had gone slower myself with the calorie increases.)

I agree take your time with the increases. I've done that and I think that has helped me get this far and helped with the weight gain. Remember there is no rush, take your time happy

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02-28-2017, 10:17 AM
Post: #184
RE: Eat, Play, Write
The heavier we are, the higher the BMR will be (it's harder to carry the extra weight around and do the basic daily things). That's why once we get over the perfect scale number we dream about and focus on building muscle, getting heavier isn't bad, it means more muscle and more food! Eventually, but surely, body recomp will happen and fat will be less an that's how we weight more, eat more but become "smaller".

The old diet mentality only sees progress when the scale moves down. So if the want to keep clients and having people believing that it works, they have to give you something to shock your body from the get go so the weight drops right away, otherwise no one will stick to it. We are usually gung ho in the beginning and have the "whatever it takes" mindset.

Over time, the gung ho feeling starts fading (will power is finite) and we blame it on ourselves, because apparently it was working in the beginning. But we don't realize that we lost water, muscle and other tissue, nor actually the fat that we really want gone. Once it's all sad and done and we can't take it anymore and even we we can keep eating like birds and exercising like fiends, the weight comes back, relentlessly. But it does not come back as the water, muscle, bone tissue lost, it comes as fat. http://eatmore2weighless.com/losing-weig...ng-fatter/

It's sad and it sucks. But it's an industry and profit is huge, so what do they care?

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02-28-2017, 11:22 AM
Post: #185
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OK, another uptick, so the question, again, is - am I eating too much, or is this the up-down curve. More to the point, since I've been eating 2360-2400 for 5 days now, should I stay at this level a bit longer to see if the weight comes back down, or should I cut back to 2200? As I said earlier, the first couple of days at the higher intake were sort of accidental, but then I thought, WTH, I'm here.... Now I'm uncertain. I hear those of you who are saying "stick with 2200," and if I had stuck there I probably wouldn't be thinking +200 calories. But I'm at the higher level, so what now? Does it make sense to "overfeed" briefly if that's what I'm doing?

Starting weight in Nov. - ~145
@~2125/day - 1-10 to 1-30 up & back down 148.2-149.4
@2000/day -- 1-31 to 2-10 up & back down, 149.4-150.4
@2128-2190/day -- 2-12 to 2-18 up & back down, 150 to 151.2
@ average 2225
2-19 151.8
2-20 151.4
2-21 151
2-22 151.6
2-23 151.6
2-24 152.6
@2360-2400
2-25 152.2
2-26 152.4
2-26 152.6
2-27 152.6
2-28 153.4

BMR - 1296
TDEE - Moderate-2010, Strenuous-2237, me? Who knows?
Currently eating 2360-2400???
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02-28-2017, 01:46 PM
Post: #186
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Since you are already there, I'd give it some more time to see what happens.

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02-28-2017, 06:41 PM
Post: #187
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It is so much easier to look back on data and see what happened rather than to know what to do at the time? It would be exciting if you were able to have 2400 as a TDEE and to be able to do a cut at around 2200!

It takes so much courage to do this but maybe testing that amount for longer will pay off. You will know for sure then if you have a new TDEE or if you need to back off!

You have had a time of feeling "stuffed" - this could also be the temporary "appetite increase" that is listed as one of the possible stages you can pass through on the way to finding TDEE?

You have come so far already :-)
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02-28-2017, 06:54 PM
Post: #188
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(02-28-2017 06:41 PM)FionaSchipke Wrote:  It is so much easier to look back on data and see what happened rather than to know what to do at the time? It would be exciting if you were able to have 2400 as a TDEE and to be able to do a cut at around 2200!

It takes so much courage to do this but maybe testing that amount for longer will pay off. You will know for sure then if you have a new TDEE or if you need to back off!

You have had a time of feeling "stuffed" - this could also be the temporary "appetite increase" that is listed as one of the possible stages you can pass through on the way to finding TDEE?

You have come so far already :-)


That's what I think on all counts! I'm going to stick with it for at least a couple more days, maybe a little longer. I don't want to gain too much, but this would tell me if I've overreached!
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03-01-2017, 10:46 AM
Post: #189
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I'm up again this morning - .2 lb - and in the 5 days I've been averaging 2370, I've gained every day but one -- +.2, .2, .2, 0, .8, .2 -- for a total of 1.4 in 5 days. Is this the "steady gain" of exceeding TDEE? Stay another couple of days, or drop back to 2200? Or 2300 even? I know I just asked that yesterday, but....I'm a little nervous here.


Starting weight in Nov. - ~145
@~2125/day - 1-10 to 1-30 up & back down 148.2-149.4
@2000/day -- 1-31 to 2-10 up & back down, 149.4-150.4
@2128-2190/day -- 2-12 to 2-18 up & back down, 150 to 151.2
@ average 2225 -- 2-19 to 2-24 down & back up 151 to 152.6
@2360-2400
2-25 152.2
2-26 152.4
2-26 152.6
2-27 152.6
2-28 153.4
3-1 153.6

BMR - 1296
TDEE - Moderate-2010, Strenuous-2237, me? Who knows?
Currently eating 2360-2400???
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03-01-2017, 01:05 PM
Post: #190
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I takes 4-6 weeks to see if the weight is a steady gain, or if it comes back down/levels off. Remember my weight going up for 4 weeks, then leveling off at week 5? Just 1 week won't tell you what you need to know when you are so close to your calculated TDEE.

It was quite an increase in calories all at once, so it's not surprising to see the numbers go up. The questions are:

Will the weight level off after 4-6 weeks?

And, are you comfortable with staying at that calorie level for that long in order to see what happens?

Or, if you feel the weight is going up too fast, you can go back to the 2200 for a while, or at least a smaller increase in cals.

Like I said, I wish I had taken things slower myself! But it's all up to what you feel comfortable with.
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